Sister/Professor Joanne, thank you for this wonderful blog: Revelation 2: Thyatira, Jezebel.
And I quote: “It is the first thing Jesus spoke about. Jezebel was not a prophet by the Spirit’s anointing and appointment.
She was a prophet by her own choosing and pronouncement.
Credentials are only valuable when God gives them. Credentials from human institutions do not necessarily carry God’s divine anointing, God’s approval, God’s authority, and God’s supernatural empowering.
Jezebel claimed credentials that were, in God’s eyes, false.” graceandpeacejoanne
This was so fascinating and propelled me to look deeper into this piece of very important history that I thought might offer some additional insights that are very relevant today! And oh was I sensing revelation in the air as I began to formulate a clearer vision of what this all could offer to the current people of this gravely troubled world perhaps in the nick of time for some, including me of course!
To me there must have been too much pride involved in her not relenting and admitting fault, in order that she might repent and reconcile with God her error. But another thought came to my mind that I was thinking does delve into the question of whether or not her being a woman in and of itself could have played a role in her self-inflicted demise via another snare of the Devil. The following statement I quote was one that jumped off the page because I think there is a parallel with events occurring today.
“Jezebel was teaching God’s easing of boundaries.”
That word boundaries is to me so very important to understand what Jezebel was up to and how being tempted by Satan comes in many forms of outward behavior and inner thinking that can ensnare a soul.
I began to look at how “boundaries” have been stretched, altered and in some cases done away with in today’s haphazard social order and even the natural biological constructs! And if I’m correct in this then think of how many people are not only overriding God’s “will” by basically rebelling but are also blaspheming Him.
The whole transgender thing to me is absolutely a blatant affront and denial of God’s authority and absolute truth.
This Scripture came to mind immediately!
Genesis 5:2 “Male and female He created them, and He blessed them. And in the day they were created, He called them “man.” 3When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.…”
Acts 17:26 “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;”
I see God’s logic or how His perfection can only produce order and balance so therefore if we are created in His image tradition, harmony and balance are basic precepts of all things he creates in accordance with His will. “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”
But now the calamitous thing is that humanity is off the rails by ditching tradition or set standards and the natural Order of things, let’s call them God’s SOP (standard operating procedure) which even any successful worldly operation must have in order to be maintained and be successful in achieving the mission! Even all of particle physics follows this simple set truth. But because God is all-knowing and absolutely perfect then we can at least conclude that His way is always the right way.
The simple question human beings back in Jezebel’s time and onward to now needing to be asked is “what is God’s will!” God’s will supersedes all other possible or imagined considerations!
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6
But you and I know that many to even most people these days are not asking that question because they’re totally preoccupied with just doing what they want; it’s become all about me, and not about God! That can’t be any form of worshiping God, but instead self.
God made men brought into existence through that first man Adam of His creation placing Adam in the Garden and then he made Adam sleep so that He could take a rib from Adam to create Eve flesh of his flesh the first woman, again all of this to serve “God’s will and purposes.” I know there are so many people these days who will reject or even hate what I say and calling it outdated or even going as far to state that mankind is on its own and a free agent of the universe. To those people I say I hope you will open your eyes and most important your heart to God’s Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus!
Adam gave her the name Eve because “she was the mother of all living!” Genesis 3:20 the amplified verse reads; “The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.”
Genesis 2:23-24 “And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.” 24For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.”
There are many today that would benefit from realizing we are to be only of one wife and of one husband.
Genesis 2:20- 22 “The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh. 22And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.…”
This I understand as being God’s plan for His first humans made like Him to become a family with the God head our Creator and then the human father and human mother each of them joined to be the one flesh human parental head of the children that the mother will bear.
But I’m sure in my own heart not just my mind that God is allowing me through His Holy Spirit to recognize that men were meant to be the primary leaders out in the world when away from the family unit whether taming the elements to provide for family or to protect that family doing battle with those foes that would eventually come down through the ages because of the deceitful fallen nature of the human heart that began when Cain slew his brother Abel; but men would be the ones to take on those foes in battle and over time this even conditioned the male of the human family to be better equipped to meet those fierce challenges! While on the other hand women would be continually nurturing, healing and tending to the basic sustenance and unity of the family construct all of that being God’s plan and purpose! The woman in that family being a leader in her own right of that “circle of life” maintaining its health and order as mother and wife! Her managing and tending to these duties through the ages developed many of the great female characteristics that are a great blessing for us all.
You see I have no problem with that solid foundational principle and arrangement that God Himself ordained for His plan and purpose!
This brings me smack-dap right to some Scriptural verses that I added to my commentary to your article the other day which I kept in a file for future reference.
These Scriptures speak directly to this subject at hand as I see it and are most fitting or appropriate to point out what has happened to today’s people and society at large. And perhaps Jezebel was the beginning stage of people falling into the trap within the wayward crooked “Ways of The World” ruled by that liar the Devil, who instigated and fosters today’s calamitous Devil’s Playground where anything imaginable no matter how vile, disgusting and “Wrong,” all of which goes against God and His “will.” But all of this sin and transgression is being carried out by men and women every minute of every day. This to me has set the stage and indeed we may already see this place or realm we live in as fast becoming not what God planned, but instead, a hell on earth that the father of all lies wants; which is going to be judged for exactly what it is; when Jesus Christ our Savior and Lord returns!
Luke 4:1-13 “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted[a] by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. 3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.” 4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’[b]” 5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.” 8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[c]” 9 The devil led him to
Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; 11 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[d]” 12 Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[e]” 13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.”
Surely only a fool or someone who rejects God would not accept the fact that if the Devil did that to Jesus Christ he is certainly going to be doing it to any of us at his pleasure if we do not do our Father’s will staying in His good graces and therefore protection from such evil.
2 Timothy 3:2-5 “For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God. They will maintain the outward appearance of religion but will have repudiated its power. So avoid people like these.”
Matthew 24:9-14 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10“At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11“Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12“Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13“But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
Romans 8:30 “and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”
2 Timothy 3:2-5 “For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God. They will maintain the outward appearance of religion but will have repudiated its power. So avoid people like these.”
Then I wrote this in that essay and it again fits here, as I see it clearly.
I’m so sickened, disgusted by all the lies and deception going on daily, but, making it even more painful the volume of it is totally unprecedented as I see how utterly poisoned and deeply contaminated our modern civilization has become! Now to a level where not so long ago what was obviously dead wrong is being called right and then what I know in my heart and soul to be good and truly right is now being condemned as vile and wrong! What gets to me so badly, agitating me so much, is how phony and actually drunkard or even diabolical our society has become; all of which I feel must be called out in no uncertain terms, with what I sincerely hope is some “righteous indignation!”
Romans 12:1-3 “Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.”
John 17:14-16 “14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.”
Ephesians 6:12 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
All of this writing and searching for God’s truth brought me to check some references for more clarification and I just game upon this very concise piece of work that explains that key factor of family and how so precious and important mothers who are the women of God’s first man Adam the Woman is intended to be the Hub of the family while the Man or father can oversee and protect while tending to his many fatherly responsibilities so the mother can tend to hers unfettered or not distracted. A perfect combo or team if you will!
God, Family, and Genetics – A Biblical Perspective
Part One: Genetic Evidences Supporting the Divine Origin of Man and Famil
Dr. J.C. Sanford i and Dr. Robert Carterii
iCornell University, Hedrick Hall, NYSAES, Geneva, NY 14456 USA
iiFMS Foundation, 877 Marshall Rd., Waterloo, NY 13165 USA
“The family is, and always has been, the most fundamental unit of human society. The family is also a fundamental element of the Christian faith. God has revealed Himself as our Heavenly Father, and He has given to us the right to be “Children of God”. God’s design for the family is revealed in His perfect creation. God teaches us that in the beginning He made a special man, and from him he made a special woman, and they were united as one flesh. He created them in His own image, and they were destined to be the Father and Mother of us all. The Church has consistently affirmed these elements of Scripture and has affirmed these things as foundational doctrine. Is the Church now going to abandon this doctrinal foundation?
As we read God’s Word, we see that soon after the creation of that special couple, the first family was deceived and fell into sin, bringing death and suffering into the world. Cain, the first-born, entered a corrupted world. He soon murdered his younger brother. The first family became a broken family. The Bible describes many such broken families. Sadly, there are now countless broken families in the world today.
When Jesus came, He showed us what a restored family should look like. The Faithful Father. The Faithful Mother. The Faithful Son. The call to radical love. The call to radical sexual fidelity. The call to respect one’s parents. The call to help support one’s children. The call to protect children from sin and to “bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the lord” (Eph 6:4). The call for parents to produce godly children. These are the things that God’s Word reveals to us in terms of what a healthy, godly family should look like.
Today the family is being besieged like never before –on a global scale. A large fraction of all babies that are conceived are aborted by their mother. A large fraction of all babies that are born, do not enter into any sort of functional family. The mother is very commonly not married and often lacks radical commitment to the father or even to the child. Likewise, the father is often not radically committed to either the mother or the child. Even if the father and mother are married, there is too high a probability they will not stay married. The child will very likely be exposed at an early age to pornography in the home. The child will very commonly witness sexual immorality within the home. At a very young age, many children will be encouraged through television, Internet, and school to explore sexual sin, sodomy and much more. Heaven help today’s children!
Modern social engineers have helped create this moral crisis, and they are now aggressively imposing their social agenda on the entire world. This agenda includes complete sexual liberation, normalization of sodomy, and redefinition of marriage. Redefinition of marriage fundamentally means redefining (and further degrading) family. This is a direct attack on Christianity, especially in light of Eph 5:32 where Paul equates the “profound mystery” of marriage to the relationship between Christ and his bride. How will the Church respond?
A large part of the Christian world has turned a blind eye to this profound moral crisis. But isn’t the Church called to shine the light of Jesus into this dark world, and provide some type of moral compass? Tragically, much of the Church appears to be ill equipped and unwilling to do anything more than “go with the flow”. Will the Catholic Church also simply “go with the flow”? Or will the Catholic Church stand firm, championing the teachings of God’s Word and the wisdom of almost 2000 years of Church teaching?
The Church has a very solid foundation on which to defend the family. That foundation is clearly presented in God’s Word, starting with the very first family, prior to the Fall. A large part of the moral crisis that now threatens to destroy the family results from the widespread rejection of the authority and historicity of the Bible. However, by God’s grace there are now many evidences that support the authority and historicity of the Bible. This includes growing genetic evidence that the first family, Adam and Eve, really did exist, and that they really were the Father and Mother of us all. In God’s perfect timing, He is confirming the reality of the first model family so that the Church may be emboldened to stand firm regarding the biblical and historical model of family.
Before we summarize the scientific evidence supporting the biblical view of family, we need to make one thing very clear. The “scientific consensus” as it stands today, will reject any and all evidence for a literal Adam and Eve. It is crucial that Church leaders understand that scientists and scientific communities represent fallen, fallible people. While the scientific method is objective, scientists are not. Scientists are subject to group psychology, political influence, and spiritual influence. Historically, scientific communities have sometimes been subject to bigotry and have represented ideologically-driven hierarchical power structures. The eugenics movement that was founded by Darwin’s direct associates, the claims of the Nazi leadership concerning inferior and superior races, and the scientific consensus within the Soviet Union under Stalin that led to environmental degradation and mass starvation did not reflect objective scientific analysis. The claims of these scientific communities were scientifically wrong and were politically and spiritually motivated. “Scientific consensus” can sometimes just mean the group-think of the currently ruling intellectual power elite. A scientific consensus can often reflect a changing and very fickle intellectual sub-culture. The popular ideas that dominate the current scientific sub-culture must not be confused with either the scientific method itself or objective “Truth.”
“We are dying people in a dying world, reaching out to the healing hand of God”
“At this moment the majority of western scientists are militantly promoting sexual liberation, abortion, and sodomy. Moreover, they are generally hostile to Jesus, the Bible, and the Church. This is very different from the scientific consensus in previous decades, and is radically different from scientific consensus in previous centuries. A strong consensus like this does not necessarily mean that the opinions of the currently reigning authorities are correct. We must remember that human authority is fallible. Jesus was crucified by the secular and religious authorities of His day.” kolbecenter GodFamilyGenetics
I’m so blessed to have read what my Sister/Professor Joanne wrote today which absolutely triggered my strong desire to seek out God’s truth and will in all of this and my mind, heart and soul are opening up tremendously to it because of this spark that was given to me from Sister Joanne. I plead with anyone reading this essay to make the time to read this following article completely and along the way pray to our Father in Heaven through Jesus Christ that He sends the Comforter to you and you will see God’s Truth! We must seek this in order to be transformed from fallen and broken to perfect and eternal with our heavenly Father in His glory in His beautiful eternal kingdom!
https://www.kolbecenter.org/god-family-genetics-bible-perspective/
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Sisters and Brothers I close my writing today with these final words.
We are living in a time of the greatest treachery and rebellion against God, now in a world where blatant lies and even blasphemies are held up and worshiped as great and good; a time where technology is extremely advanced but mankind’s heart and intentions are severely regressed being transformed to the point where so many people are beyond backward, having no genuine love for each other, themselves and not even God Almighty who gave them “all that they are and can be;” only if they will “turn to and trust Him!”
“Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power; for You created all things, and because of “Your will” they exist, and were created and brought into being.” Revelation 4:11
I pray this in the holy name of our Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
Again sister/professor Joanne I quote with the closing of your blog lesson!
“Many who read Revelation from a futurist or historicist point of view feel Thyatira represents the church from 606-1517 CE, when Catholicism in the west was the entirety of the western church. Those from a spiritual approach see universal truths applicable to every age (I lean more towards this view). And, along with preterists, I think it is safe to assume there really was a woman named Jezebel who led believers astray in Thyatira.” https://graceandpeacejoanne.com/2022/08/11/revelation-2-thyatira-jezebel/
Thank you for this opportunity and God bless you!
Brother in Christ Jesus,
Lawrence Morra III
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